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70 - 80 - 90 hours — why is Narayan Murthy not scared of the outrage from Indian IT employees?

One simplistic answer could be: AI/automation, an excessive supply of engineers, or stock manipulation — but that’s not the real issue.

The real issue is something very different. In some sense, history is repeating itself because we haven’t learned the lesson from British colonial era.

During British rule, India sold goods to Britain but was paid with IOUs called Council Bills. These could only be cashed in London, and often at a loss. At the same time, India had to send real gold and money to Britain to pay for British expenses. India did not control its own currency. Because of this, British policies took away India’s wealth and kept the country poor.

Some rich Indian families also benefited from this system, not by active participation but by silence. Business groups like the Tatas, Birlas, and Jains made profits. So did many traders, moneylenders, landlords, and Indian officers working for the British, especially in the Indian Civil Services.

Dr. B.R. Ambedkar, in his famous work Problem of the Rupee (1923), argued that India should have its own currency backed by gold and full control over its money. Later, Reserve Bank of India (RBI) was formed in 1935 under British rule.

In Corporate India, services are provided to US-based clients under terms largely set abroad. Big companies profit, but smaller firms and workers gain little. Wealth and opportunities remain concentrated among the upper-middle class of urban India, who have access to education in English-medium convent schools and coaching.

Many of these individuals later become a significant portion of educated migrants living in Western countries.

The opportunity for easy migration was so great that people leave instead of addressing India’s structural issues. This phenomenon is commonly known as BrainDrain , involving non-returning Indians.

It means that the money earned from the hard work of the average Indian IT employee, which should have come to India, remains in the U.S. and other Western countries in the form of taxes and assets held by Indian elites living there. This makes Indian community in US as one of the wealthiest relative to its population (50 Lakh Indians owning approx $ 0.8 - 1 Trillion).

We haven't created RBI equivalent solution for corporate India IT where different companies can compete with each other for projects and where Government can give protection to US client regarding money and quality of work.

This is what China and Southeast Asia did, as they learned from their colonial history.

However, India remained shortsighted, and downfall of Indian IT industry, which began around 2010, has now become visible in 2025.

So, AI and automation have become scapegoat, as they started eliminating jobs that shouldn’t have existed in the first place, as addressing structural issues requires honesty that we lack and that's why Narayan Murthy is not scared.
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Inability to define the concept of a worker is the real problem of Indian IT.

A worker is someone who performs repeatable tasks within the given constraints of a system, and by doing those repeatable tasks, does not achieve any future growth. The state must protect such workers by fixing the number of working hours and providing additional benefits. That kind of worker is not actually a human in the functional sense, but essentially a component of a machine.

Expecting more work or harder work in such jobs amounts to exploitation.

By blurring job roles or by inflation of job titles, we have created a crisis of work–life balance in corporate India.

This concept was introduced by Dr. B. R. Ambedkar in the Factory Act of 1948. Western countries applied and evolved this principle for IT roles, which is why they outsourced such low-quality, repetitive jobs to India and other parts of South Asia because they haven't evolved worker equivalent concept for IT jobs and it is true for other tertiary sector job roles also.
 https://www.linkedin.com/posts/yashp2411_ambedkar-genz-corporateabrmajdoor-activity-7383463631004483584-umJf

How #GenZ is rebelling against corporate exploitation | Yash Pratap posted on the topic | LinkedIn

In corporate India, every other employee has a fancy job title like Manager, Consultant, or Advisor, while in reality they are doing clerical or repetitive sales-related work. To understand this, we need to look at the fundamental nature of...
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Anjan Bhattacharya Definitely, but whoever is doing the repeatitive task must be protected by labour laws and the state like fixing working hours, it will give jobs to more people. We must not expect them to work hard and there is big chunk of Indian workforce in IT, almost 50% falls under this category. Indian IT companies are doing repeatitive work of US clients mostly. In other departments say government, 50% will go to 70% jobs as repeatitive with almost no value addition in skills so they need protection which they are getting already. By giving worker protection we can create more jobs otherwise corporate will exploit. We must not expect those people to do 70 hours week because there won't be any benefits or value addition by doing overwork there other employees who are doing better jobs can do work as much they like.

For Inhumane jobs like manual scavenging, we must replace it by robots like bandicoot (made by Kerala engineer, launched by Narendra Modi), we must ensure it's working.
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Yash Pratap couldn't have agreed more 👌
The question is who is going to bell the cat? 🐈

On the other hand, I think Narayan Murthiji is talking about the axiom that it is hard work that makes a country prosperous.

Like, it is our parents' generation on whose hard work, we enjoyed it relatively protected and had a prosperous life. And because of this our next generation has become so lax that India's downfall is just around the corner!

The Hagelian duality for you to solve, Sir.
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Anjan Bhattacharya Narayan Murthy is asking people to work hard without reforming the company structure like RBI equivalent solution which I mentioned in the post.

Solution already exists in abstract because this is the same problem which Dr Ambedkar mentioned in problem of rupee.

There must be centralised government service which helps in fair projects allotment and ensure quality of services. It will help smaller companies to get access to better projects means more jobs.

Currently IT companies follow a colonial structure and by working in that structure, by working extra hours or hard there won't be any value addition neither in the employee not in the company except profit and that's why I wrote this post. This is more about business model of IT companies like Infosys involved in outsourcing.

uniting people and making them aware is the first challenge and people who find this issue useful they will definitely try to do something because according to current structure.

Almost 30% of middle management jobs will be replaced by 2026 due to AI and these jobs won't come back. These people will be forced to bring change sooner or later.
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Danish Siddique what do you think?
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This colonialism is one of the main reason behind forced retirement at 40s, favouritism in promotions, toxic work culture, extra work hours with no pay and weak labour laws, lack of transparency which makes connections and referral >> skills and talents which ultimately leads to "class", "caste" "gender" and "religion" based biases. It's the same Colonialism which drains the wealth of India.
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The opportunity for easy migration was so great that people leave instead of addressing India’s structural issues. This phenomenon is commonly known as BrainDrain , involving non-returning Indians. It means that the money earned from the hard work of the average Indian IT employee, which should have come to India, remains in the U.S. and other Western countries in the form of taxes and assets held by Indian elites living there. This makes Indian community in US as one of the wealthiest relative to its population (50 Lakh Indians owning approx $ 0.8 - 1 Trillion).
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From the comments, one big problem I’m realizing is that Indians aren’t aware of the real history of India and the British colonial era, so they’re finding it very difficult to accept the fact that Indian IT did slavery for almost 20 years without realizing it. This is exactly the same kind of problem as the “Problem of the Rupee in Abstract,” which Dr. Ambedkar solved in 1923 and which later led to the formation of the RBI in 1935. In some sense, corporate India paid the price for its hatred towards Dr. Ambedkar.
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Consequence of not knowing this ola employee suicide : People are forgetting the real issue, Bhavish said in his interview "These people aren't doing worker level repetitive jobs so they can work more hours" it means he is more clever, he understands the Law very well. He can make people overwork legally because in tertiary or service sector we haven't defined the concept of worker the way we define Dr Ambedkar define it in Factory Act 1948. So, he is not a fool, he hasn't done very big illegal thing technically but of course unethical. He will get out of it on the basis of technicalities. The real question is Why no labour union exists in the service sector?

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/yashp2411_ola-activity-7387597243928920064-EoPv

Ola's Bhavish Aggarwal on K Aravind's suicide and labour laws | Yash Pratap posted on the topic | LinkedIn

People are forgetting the deeper issue with #Ola employee, K Aravind's suicide, Bhavish Aggarwal said in his interview with Shradha Sharma, YourStory Media Nuances are important. These employees aren’t doing worker-level repetitive jobs, so they can...
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TL;DR India couldn't evolve ANY of the verticals that it went into, be it manufacturing or services. OTOH China and in conjunction Southeast Asia evolved to the next levels and grew to the giant that it is today
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Trust this simple genius to not understand that all work and no pay keeps Indians backward and dull.
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Joe Christopher Knowing who stole the labour of Indians is also important — it’s the Western governments and the Indian elite, just like during the British colonial era. That’s why the Indian community in the U.S. has become one of the richest in proportion to its population. That’s what I wrote here. The U.S. even refers to this phenomenon as BrahminProfiteering to mock Indians.
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Joe Christopher We could have solved it by using the RBI-equivalent solution for IT, but we haven’t. It’s the same problem in abstract. We already have the solution, but we haven’t studied Indian history and how Dr. Ambedkar solved this issue. That’s why we keep repeating the same mistake, and labour continues to be exploited. We had the solution, but we haven’t bothered to read about it.
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We are a poor country we need to put in more hours...and also if we put more hours we will remain poor that is what Murti ji want otherwise his company will have to pay more. Why not promote more hours of work in simmilar pay. An engineer join his company 3-4 LPA so they are not engineers they are workers doing clerical jobs so to earn more overtime is must. Only doctors are not allowed to work overtime i understand they get allowence for not practicing.
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We are not in Poverty, it's that the 80 Crore Population wants to have the free Ration of the Tax payers, the money paid and collected for the development of nation.
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Bas kuch saal aur bache hai inke, bol lene do 🥲
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Peter Gerald the solution already exists but people haven't read the Dr Ambedkar Problem of Rupee which lead to formation of RBI, this is exactly the same problem in abstract and that's what I wrote in the post the solution we need RBI equivalent for IT companies involved in outsourcing.
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We already have a ministry of labour and employment. It's just that they're not making any favorable changes to the employees as they don't need to.

As migration was easy earlier, people used to migrate and nobody wanted to waste their time and energy to improve the conditions.

Now as immigration is not as easy as it used to be and the fear of losing jobs to AI have made people think about prevailing conditions and the need to make improvements.

As formal employees are just a fraction of voters and cannot make a significant change in election results, we are the least priority for politicians.
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Peter Gerald people must know what to demand in the first place, people haven't read solutions in the first place whether it's Dr Ambedkar or Amratya Sen. Problem lies with people first, our curriculum exclude Dr Ambedkar exclusively due to caste based hatred and mostly 50% of upper caste Hindu lives in urban India, I mean top 10 cities and most of them are casteist and communal so they don't read and they're the majority of corporate employees so they're just paying the price for their hatred.
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Peter Gerald we can only come together if we work on inclusion, accept the marginalised people as human beings otherwise the barrier of caste religion and gender won't let do anything. The inequality affects the most to females of marginalised communities. So, the movement of equality is termed as "feminism" not "equilism" or "humanism" so that mainstream won't whitewash the historical injustice and do extra efforts to help them come in mainstream.
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I dont agree to this statement India is growing and full of scholars, a man who earns in millions can easily give any thoughts and people randomly agreeing on that.
Indians are super intelligent and they are passionate for their work . Its all about his theory, not relevant.
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Gareeb log hai na.
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You make 80 crore people work for 8 hours a day. Why 40 Crore people have to carry financial burden for 80 crores used to enjoy their lives?
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Kashyap Bhatt You need to study developmental economics and Amratya Sen for that. We have decided our country's boundaries during independence. We shouldn't have included them as citizens in the first place if we weren't able to take care of them.
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Kashyap Bhatt India was not a country before Gandhi, Gandhi and Patel created India which includes these many states and people. Currently 20% population of upper caste Hindu had 60% of India's wealth it was even worse during the independence which means more partition. Mostly people didn't want to join India like J&K but later we added them to India so that we can protect them from Pakistan. We need to left J&K if we can't take care of them. So, we need to look at the real history why we created India in the first place. We prefer reservation over distribution of money.
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Kashyap Bhatt reservation is never the solution, it's the first step, the real solution is development of MSME. Kejriwal model of freebies is copied by everyone which is responsible for current crisis because our education system is the same old British and it only prepare people to become Government job aspirants.

Due to freebie culture and excessive migration of upper caste Hindu of rural India to urban (urban India means top 10 cities and population of upper caste Hindu is 50% there) which result in high cutoffs in various exams and now instead of looking at the migration data people are use this anecdotal evidence saying ohh reservation killed merit and started spreading caste based hatred in urban India in higher intensity and now instead of acknowledgement of mistakes and demanding accountability, they are busy with caste based hatred and due to hatred the price of safe space (real estate) is skyrocketting.

Source: London school of economics, NUS Singapore on Kejriwal freebie model aftermath and it is copied by all political parties in last 10 years.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/yashp2411_entrance-exams-indian-coaching-industries-activity-7380253904447533056-fIcI
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Yash Pratap you seem to have no understanding of economics, nor population dynamics. Do you even know what was Indias population at independence and how much it has grown in 80 years? We have added 4X of 1947 Indias to our nation in 80 years. Population has grown from 341million to 1450million today. Actually we would need to acquire more land for our growing population by your own logic. Export of Indians abroad is actually logical as land in India has become a constraint.
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Chandra Shankar 10% land is used by all humans roughly and 50% land used by agriculture and 70% of agriculture land is used to feed those animals whom we eat as mainstream non vegetarian food of ruminant animals. There are plenty of inefficiencies. Lots of problems are many made and inequality based. Migration can only solve the problem of educated Indians living in urban areas but not a real solution. We have already done that, it made Indian American rich at the expense of others known as brahminprofiteering (every 4-5th person belongs to south India brahmin). This will not happen anymore because of demography.
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Yash Pratap you mean after purging Brahmins from rural areas to cities in 1947 when land was redistributed. Most Brahmins rebuilt their lives by own effort leveraging their education and most paid a lot of taxes which were redistributed to all others for 80 years.

After reservations in government jobs India has the worst quality of governance globally. We have the worst educational outcomes as compared to our Asian peers. The problem occurred when the state instead of increasing supply of high quality education decided instead to redistribute seats in higher education. Needless to say most reserved category student found it hard to compete with unreserved category candidates. Now this setup an artificial conflict deepening caste conflict in Universities.

What the state failed to do was to create universal educational infrastructure at the primary and secondary level to help students learn better and compete at equal footing. Today most government school teachers are vote banks from reservation category and are dooming their wards to a lifetime of mediocrity and very possibly injecting more venom against the more privileged folks. Needless to say those who can escape to cities uplift themselves from casteism of rural India.
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Chandra Shankar population of upper caste Hindu in India is 20% and 50% of them lives in urban India. So, it's not a sufficient population to cover India. Reservation is primarily for OBC vs SC vs ST. So, please checkout the demography of India, even if you remove reservation, it will never benefit upper cast Hindu at scale and Indian state acquire too many states which it can't handle, that's why all jobs are centralised, it's Colonialism in some sense on which India is formed, this is true for other countries also and that's how a state evolve. You need to think about politics properly.
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Yash Pratap I don't believe in artificial divisions like caste or religion its an artefact of Indias poorly formulated governance framework. In a nation there are are tax competents and tax dependents. Job of nation is to improve tax competent to tax dependent ratio. A mere accident of birth does not make you a citizen. You become a full citizen by paying tax. In a taxpayers state it is incumbent on taxpayers to plan for retirement as they may lose voting rights if they stop paying taxes post retirement. Though current taxes paid on assets like wealth, land and property will still count towards tax payment and past excess taxes paid also counts to retain voting privileges. Any type of state support to an individual will be considered a loan to be repayed once the circumstances change (no free lunches).

All the taxpayer state can provide is a clean slate to children and equal opportunity via high quality education. Post this education the state will necessarily assume that your competence defines you and not your caste. The ability to pay taxes and an individuals competence will open doors for them. If a person remains incompetent after 18 years of education the taxpayers state will necessarily treat them as a dependent.
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Chandra Shankar you need to do communist revolution like China for that which includes lots of brutality and the first thing will happen is people loosing all their property to state. State doesn't run on intentions, state runs on political incentives.
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Kashyap Bhatt It is surprising to find such comments. Success == responsibility. Since ancient times kings would ensure land, cows donation. This was the essence of Vaman avatar story. This was a donation of 'means of earning'. Today we have a system of just providing money and food, while means of earning are clustered in hands of few who are not even brave enought to toil themselves. It's cowardice. The elite class and castes who have the ability to speak back, have lost track of the situation. They believe the underprivileged are grabbing their fortune. It is the good grace of the elites that our people are largely docile and non violent. Otherwise such structural mismatches would have caused much worse in some other place.
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Jisha Tripathi this is what mainstream media sold, try to put your arguments and my arguments in GPT and my post and you'll understand who is right.. I'll leave it for you.
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Yash Pratap When slavery is sold in the name of national betterment and promoted day and night by paid mainstream media it becomes easy for ordinary people to accept it as truth. These billionaires are simply continuing the colonial mindset selling modern day slavery wrapped as patriotism and progress.

The truth is when a person isnt fulfilled in their own life their talk about country’s betterment is often a blind acceptance and fake image to show how much I am thinking for the country while in their own life they are struggling for basic survival and it's easy for billionaires to manipulate such average minds. While Narayana Murthy's daughter enjoys a luxurious life in the UK, we are told that we must sacrifice and work harder for the country while they enjoy the benefits.
One should understand we are not a slave of colonial people like murthy and their generations

Whenever they need more labor and a workforce they start preaching random things and the easiest way to convince people is to wrap it all in deshbhakti (patriotism).

The sad part is some people actually believe it without questioning a thing.

Modern Day colonialism is more dangerous and it is wrapped in one word Deshbhakti 🤦
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He is right to point out one problem, but forgets every other problem related to infra structure, corporate culture, low pay etc.
How "more hours" is a solution is beyond me. Especially coming from leaders like him.
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Yash Pratap Great post really, somehow even I skipped the British part and went straight to "The opportunity for easy migration ...." My bad. Seems the comment section is missing to read full as well, the picture in the post here is particularly triggering enough probably. 😆

I wonder what the better solution could be, maybe if the government focuses on the RBI equivalent solution for corporate India IT as mentioned here, the top talent wouldn't leave India. Or maybe something to do with the remaining 80 crores who take the free ration - working on basic education and upskilling - while creating employment opportunities from former top talent staying in India.

One thing I agree with big time - AI and automation are scapegoats for no reason. 😂
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Aakash Singh it's not just about hours. It's about a commitment to a cause of nation building. It's a known fact of history that an entire generation sacrifices for catapulting their country to next orbit. You will also see entitled ones along the way 😊

Having said that, yes, we do need legal frameworks to protect against exploitation, assuring minimum wages, minimum standards of employment, transparent assessments etc.

You will also need right legislations with right intents and well though through. Example. The recent legislation on menstrual leaves is most likely to jeopardise the appointments of women in private sector.
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Dr. Biligi S. Oh yes, up for commitment, big time - already has one for this cause. But if you have say solution A, solution B and so on.. and Infosys founder gives you solution G, the worst one possible, or the last thing we should talk about - problem.

Anyways, the post talks about it really well, about what N. Murthy might be missing.
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Aakash Singh yeah ... but positions never make good leaders .... leadership is gained by knowledge, empathy, walking the talk and working towards the nations good.

Has he developed any new software of the level of Google, WhatsApp, we chat etc? Thousands of talented persons are simply working in the glorified sweat shops ..... the city is congested, they could have developed solutions to decongest, shifted out etc .....
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Yash Pratap Mr Murthy's demand of 70 hours a week falls short of the visionary mark. A true visionary would have demanded people to be continuously within the four walls of office at all times, with conjugal rooms where one could ensure perpetuation of the species. What would happen to those offspring? Well Mr Murthy commands them to grow up at the drop of his eyelids- problem solved.
And why not? Doesn't being powerful mean- just think and it gets done?
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Bhaskar Bhattacharya definitely, communism never works, it's always state capitalism from inside and they're exploitative. It's an issue of capabilities of people and inequality, that what Amratya Sen solved with his capabilities approach, now used by UN.
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Let me begin by defining competence of citizens. I define a competent citizen as someone who pays greater than the net spend of the state per capita x (1+ dependency ratio=0.47) = . India spends approximately Rs 34000 / citizen / year. Therefore to be a competent citizen you need to pay atleast 34000x1.47 = Rs 51000 as tax: GST, IT, CESS, Stamp duty, Customs etc. Those paying less than 34000 are dependent or beneficiaries of state spend. Those between 34000 and 51000 take care of themselves but not their dependents. Only those paying more than 51000 are truly contributors.

By above standard only 5% of Indians are competent, about 20% pay for themselves and 75% are dependent. Needless to say most voters are dependents and routinely vote to take money/wealth from competents to support themselves.

India has not invested in universal high quality meritocratic education in primary, secondary, tertiary, vocational and research based pedagogy. Something China, Korea, Japan did far earlier to reduce dependents and make citizen competent.

Most competent Indians therefore prefer to leave and pay taxes in other nations where there are lesser number of dependents.
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Chandra Shankar That's not the right approach to see developing countries. We can't define everything by money, that's why indexes such as HDI were created. Immediate return without understanding risks is a capitalistic point of view, even in pre-colonial or Islamic view. We created insurance so that we could manage risk. Modern finance is all about risk management. If we produce too many things that we actually don't require, it is because money can't be made without producing goods and services then it will be wastage of resources and that's why we created the concept of stock market in the first place because ultimately we need to protect the resources of this planet more than achieving any hypothetical numbers.
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Yash Pratap countries like Deng China / Meiji Japan were able to develop fast due to longer time horizon policies like investment in education that took 30 years to yield results. Democracy like India has used the low effort but fundamentally flawed redistributive economics due to 5 year electoral horizon and first past the post elections which allows ~ 25% population (winning vote share / total population)to decide policy for other 75%.

Adult franchise based Democracy has a fatal flaw it rewards wealth redistribution to dependents from competents. France is failing as old retirees demanding benefits from present taxpayers. India failing due huge number of rural dependents asking for freebies PDS to survive.

Needless to say most competents are looking to escape being a slave to wealth redistribution demand of dependents in a Democracy. The only way to solve this conundrum is by
1) converting dependents to competents via Education and Skill training
2) Taxing more people
3) state spending less but still increasing taxes
4) instead of adult franchise democracy make it a taxpayers franchise democracy.
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Chandra Shankar if you remove voting rights for all then people will join Pakistan and China, if that happens then Indian state boundaries will shrink by 80% and then probably India will become Islamic or communist and India will break into multiple countries with civil wars. We can't go backwards. This experiment already failed in the history of Europe. China was able to do things because of communist revolution, if you want to implement this without compromise the boundaries, you can do it via communist revolution means state will capture every person's property and assets. This will be very brutal and violent. Not necessarily solve the problem also because for China to become China by fulfilling demands of US market and India has no one. So, the same formula won't work for India
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Yash Pratap I am not removing voting rights. Adult franchise is fine as long as people don't vote themselves money they didn't earn. My suggestion is to empower taxpayers by making them the appraiser of public official performance. Currently public officials are bribe collection agents of the political vote banks and completely unaccountable and disloyal to taxpayers who pay their salaries.
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Chandra Shankar Definitely, corruption is a big issue but we can't solve it by hatred, it can only be solved if people stop voting for their caste and religion which will happen only if TFR de-grows and caste/religion based crimes stops and people starts acknowledging lower caste and muslims as a human beings and it can't happen without "right to question religion".
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Yash Pratap TFR is only one piece of puzzle to maintain stable population more important is the tax dependency ratio. Nation can mine mineral wealth to create assets to support present and future generations but it cannot fund consumption unless its an absolute emergency. Citizens have to earn their keep and pay the state to protect private and public assets and provide / regulate public good and services such as education, law and order, research defense against external enemies etc
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Chandra Shankar but what is state, it's people and if you read politics then you'll understand that firstly a social revolution happen which created new normal, current new normal is hatred, first hatred go then people faith will restore in the public institutions and then institutions take care of needs of citizens.

Political revolution always followed by social revolution. Are you willing to give up caste religion based hatred and willing to call-out those who do such things, if yes then change can begin otherwise it'll not work.

Economic growth follow political stability and there can't by any political stability without social stability which means you can't expect growth without reducing crime rate, Inequality and increasing trust.
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Low level violence we see in India is due to inherently poor quality of governance in India. Solve governance and 90% of these problems disappears

Yash Pratap despite what you may read in media there is statistically very little violence that you allude to in India. Most of violent acts have no caste or religious basis. It is the media which highlights caste and religious angle to show divisions. For example 2 people fight over money if they happen to different religions or castes media will highlight as caste atrocity or religious discrimination which is intellectually dishonest.
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Chandra Shankar This is basically a denial of caste and communal violence. You don’t know what real India actually looks like. Governance doesn’t get solved magically; it requires the selection of the right political parties and, before that, a social revolution.
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Yash Pratap I must have travelled a lot more across the length and breadth of India than most others.

I counter argue that it is you who is hallucinating caste and religious strife and cherry picking data to suit your preferred narrative.

Political parties are all having party with taxpayer money which is used to provide the Voters the Opium of freebies. Only taxpayers can discipline the government and put voters into rehab and make them productive.
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Chandra Shankar there are many scholars in the domain of caste violence Smriti sharma harsh and gc pal .. who analysed NCRB data .. search on your own .. This will require another post in itself.. but search these names .. and others scholars.
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Chandra Shankar one of the good method people in UN use to analyse crime against marginalised when absolute data isn't available is measurement of crime against women of rural and urban India. This is also helpful to measure the education level also among various communities and it mostly turns out accurate globally due to the typical migration pattern of civilizations and in case of India. Within top 10 cities crime against women ratio I found is ST/SC 2X with respect to their population and for national average it's 1.6X mostly due to under reporting. From distance it might look like no big deal but if you consider multiple layers of inequality then you'll understand what does it actually mean. This will require separate post but it's again shameful for Indian academia and mainstream media busy doing jingoism on women's safety whole day while neglecting the statistical and sociological analysis on women's safety.
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Chandra Shankar other crimes also follow this ratio of crime against women, so it act as a guideline to understand the situation. That's another conversation.

One big problem is caste census. It's not simple as Gen doing oppression with sc st obc. A lot's of time gen population doesn't exists in the area. The real problem of Brahminical Patriarchy is one caste is bigger than other caste and the lower caste is bigger than another lower caste till it reaches end.

In DEI we first define Diversity then define Equity and then we do Inclusion

So, it might be possible that few caste in the st sc obc gained all the Equity and rest gain none and we need to exclude few castes from the group but we can't exclude them without caste census.

By giving equity again and again, you can't solve inclusion.

In case of India due to high crime rate we use reservation as method of equity instead of point based equity used in US and other western countries.

Giving equity doesn't solve inclusion, inclusion can't be solved without religious reform and one of the bigger challenge is "inability to question religion" .. Generally, religion become unquestionable and capitalists+politicians hide behind religion and loot country.
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Colonialism has tricked the mindset of people. If given a chance, 60 percent of Indians will again deliberately give away their independence and be under someone's rule.
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Abir P. Not entirely a mindset issue, but a structural one — we need an RBI-equivalent solution for the IT corporate sector because it’s the same problem, in abstract, that Dr. Ambedkar solved in The Problem of the Rupee. However, people didn’t bother to read it properly due to caste-based hatred indoctrinated at home and the whitewashing of Dr. Ambedkar from school books.
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The gyaan of privilege 🤔☺️🦖
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At least he realised the truth. 70hrs./ week working is not the only option to alleviate poverty. Distribution of accumulated wealth ( with few tycoons) among the people is also important. It's important to realise. He enjoyed huge favour of Govt. in last 2-3 decades and very smart to change his voice. Instead of keeping people engaged at works for long hours, it's better engage more people to work and utilise the talents well.
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Mr. Murthy is correct. If 140 people are dependent on earnings of 5 people then those 5 people have to work hard
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Those who live in 50 crore homes, with chef, chauffeur, maids, servant, security guards, with excellent accumulated wealth. They will have different perspectives of life vs those who need to plan, think, drive in bike,auto,bus,metro and have no idea how tomorrow will shape up they will have a totally different perspective of life.

You cannot bridge that gap by discussion it is purely missing the thinking process.
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Let him work twelve hours sitting in one place as he was working @ 25 years for a month, then preach. He wants all his employee as bonded labour or slaves . Why 10 hours make to 15 hours. Talking is easy but practising is hell. You know india will have huge suicide impact or millions will go to mental assylum. What he is thinking ? To make all his workforce suffer mentally and he enjoy with the sacrifices of all ? So selfish person. Will he give overtime @ double rate for the extra effort?
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The most worrisome part of India is Indians defend this 80cr free ration numbers. Narayan Murthy made it all by himself. Now the ration seekers trash his facts. He needs to be heard. INFOSYS provides jobs. Hence NM has all the rights to talk about Populist measures.
When Trump slapped Tariffs overnight, We all said India will stand tall. What we missed is that Trump Tariffs are the opposite of Free ration scheme which India is seeing. Trump is making Americans wake up to grab jobs. He did not start free ration schemes for Americans.

Same guts Indian govt needs to have-stop free Ration. Instead shift these people to low cost Ration (purchase subsidised ration). In next five years, keep increasing cost of this ration (reduce subsidy).

Government trained all of us on this reduced subsidy via fuel. Now OMC (oil marketing companies) are free market based, free to increase /decrease fuel prices as per input costs. Same to happen for free ration.
India's GEN Z, GEN alpha should be ration free, not free ration dependent.
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Seriously????? The fact that Bharat is able to give free rations to 80 crore citizens ( the latest figure is less ofcourse) itself shows how capable the nation is.

So what will this gentleman to create more jobs for the people who are jobless?

The first thing he can do is reduce the work hours to 40 and then hire more people to complete 80 hour week ... i.e double employment in a jiffy!!!!

Now he might be even thinking of adopting AI to further reduce employees ... and then shout Bharat is a poor country!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
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I think this is high time a bunch of intelligent folks from industry and politics should sit and decide based on data if we are a poor country or rich country. Every now and then someone comes and declares and sets the narrative.
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70hrs what return you will give to your employees extra hrs work or just make more turnover the company most of the companies don't se how they utilise there 8 hrs work per day check what employee s give result if 8 hrs is worth finally at the end of the day what they have worked achieved for the purpose why then need 70 hrs possible that these 70 hrs may not usefull people waster there time what next normaly these shut down plant we do work day and night complete plant equipment installation because plant is in shutdown here wether company is also shut down need urgent result
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Ramesh Krishna That's what I wrote in the post, due to colonial structure of organisation, it's really difficult to hold these people accountable.

Inability to define the concept of a worker is the real problem of Indian IT.

A worker is someone who performs repeatable tasks within the given constraints of a system, and by doing those repeatable tasks, does not achieve any future growth. The state must protect such workers by fixing the number of working hours and providing additional benefits. That kind of worker is not actually a human in the functional sense, but essentially a component of a machine.

Expecting more work or harder work in such jobs amounts to exploitation.

This concept was introduced by Dr. B. R. Ambedkar in the Factory Act of 1948. Western countries applied and evolved this principle for IT roles, which is why they outsourced such low-quality, repetitive jobs to India and other parts of South Asia because they haven't evolved worker equivalent concept for IT jobs and it is true for other tertiary sector job roles also.

 https://www.linkedin.com/posts/yashp2411_ambedkar-genz-corporateabrmajdoor-activity-7383463631004483584-umJf
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Ask this great man and his son who is the CEO of sorakkai (actually Sirocco) systems to give more stock options. One of jokes floating around is that this company run by his son gives 6 stocks/year to the top performing employee (~$400 USD). These dictators want ordinary employees to work life long for peanuts.
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Woww! You are a genius! Thanks for this insightful post! India is indeed a weak nation on many fronts.
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Absolutely True 👍
80 Crores are not poor,they are voters.
Who pays for this,genuine Tax Payers.
Please feel the pulse of this Government.
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How come working 70 hours per person week will solve poverty in India? Poverty is due to unemployment, Unemployment is due to leaders like you who want only one person to do 2 persons job by working 70 hours a week.
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Arvind Singh That's what I wrote in the post, due to colonial structure of organisation, it's really difficult to hold these people accountable.

Inability to define the concept of a worker is the real problem of Indian IT.

A worker is someone who performs repeatable tasks within the given constraints of a system, and by doing those repeatable tasks, does not achieve any future growth. The state must protect such workers by fixing the number of working hours and providing additional benefits. That kind of worker is not actually a human in the functional sense, but essentially a component of a machine.

Expecting more work or harder work in such jobs amounts to exploitation.

This concept was introduced by Dr. B. R. Ambedkar in the Factory Act of 1948. Western countries applied and evolved this principle for IT roles, which is why they outsourced such low-quality, repetitive jobs to India and other parts of South Asia because they haven't evolved worker equivalent concept for IT jobs and it is true for other tertiary sector job roles also.

 https://www.linkedin.com/posts/yashp2411_ambedkar-genz-corporateabrmajdoor-activity-7383463631004483584-umJf

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Free ration is fine so long as their kids get proper education otherwise government is making the country handicapped.
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chandan chhavi there is entire domain of developmental economics. We need to reduce the TFR and develop people's ability but at the same time we must not tolerate the business model based on Colonialism, that's what I wrote in the post. It's history repeating itself.
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I think NM has a point there. If 85 crores people are subsisting on free rations, that is a cause for concern. Those recipients of free rations have to work atleast 8 hours per day to begin with.
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It seems we are diverting from core issue.

India’s demand vs supply and concentration of supply is messed up.

To come out of this mess we atleast need 50 years to bring the population back to optimum levels.

Implement key policies like NRC UCC and Population Control Act.

For the next 5 decades Happiness Index should be the measure of growth and not GDP.
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Respect, fair compensation and vision connecting to individual purpose are the only key to grow. You cannot scold a child asking him to score higher grades in exams and expect him to be always obidient and do it. Rather give them a purpose, incentivise and appreciate. They will score higher. This is the exact place where Narayan Murthi has to learn to restructure his leadership. Everyone has come to score profits, but due to his blunt alignment his stuffs see it as his personal gain.
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So, those who get free ration must be put to work rather than making the working class overwork.
i don't understand where such logic comes from????
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Absolutley wrong analysis there is no need to work 70 hours that too in AI Era just we should be logical and effective in how many hours we work....And also life is not only working there are things which are critical...🤣becuase we are not born here for work alone there is family , parents , sprituality and society as a whole to be part of..🥲
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Sayyad Ismail please read what I wrote, I haven't supported him, It’s the same colonialism happening again. We haven’t learned from our history, which is why we’re repeating it — that’s what I wrote in the post.
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Majority of Indians are in poverty.Tell me something I don't know.
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Those who receive free ration do not work at Infosys.
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Not much before he get to retire for ever, let him do what he wants with his life. Don’t really care for his words…
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What Mr. Strabismus, Mr. Shaver, Mr. Zepto et al conveniently leave out in the debate is...'...employees should be compensated for the extra hours." The day that loop is closed, things will be fine as those who can put in the extra hours, will do so and will be rewarded for it. But obviously, these worthies pay peanuts, yet expect the protein benefits of mamra almonds, which is NA.
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Vasudev Prabhu Inability to define the concept of a worker is the real problem of Indian IT.

A worker is someone who performs repeatable tasks within the given constraints of a system, and by doing those repeatable tasks, does not achieve any future growth. The state must protect such workers by fixing the number of working hours and providing additional benefits. That kind of worker is not actually a human in the functional sense, but essentially a component of a machine.

Expecting more work or harder work in such jobs amounts to exploitation.

By blurring job roles or by inflation of job titles, we have created a crisis of work–life balance in corporate India.

This concept was introduced by Dr. B. R. Ambedkar in the Factory Act of 1948. Western countries applied and evolved this principle for IT roles, which is why they outsourced such low-quality, repetitive jobs to India and other parts of South Asia because they haven't evolved worker equivalent concept for IT jobs and it is true for other tertiary sector job roles also.
 https://www.linkedin.com/posts/yashp2411_ambedkar-genz-corporateabrmajdoor-activity-7383463631004483584-umJf
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Sir this statistics is not right... Check the ground reality... One thing I can stand with you is, at most of the work place already people are working for 10 hrs.
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The other side of problem is that Corporate Indian IT firms heavily dependent on servicing abroad clients. There are many Indian based manufacturing/other industries conglomerates, whose IT spending is low(surprisingly) somewhere companies like Infosys didn’t tap/elevate this Indian sector. And also heavily dependent on services is a concern now, little known Chinese companies are doing wonders in AI/Bots/amazing devices and capturing market share in this area. We have talent, companies need will power and heavy R&D into this. There are huge opportunities/business models where companies like Infosys can tap. Spending in India is also growing there-by revenue and also market access to new locations(Russia, Africa, APAC). Instead of layoffs companies need to tap hidden opportunities and provide gainful employment to its employees
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Vinod Reddy Layoffs are inevitable now due to AI so we need better strategy and problem is severe for people in 40's (mid career) need better strategy because up skilling in AI won't give them any real benefit according to their lifestyle and needs. State has no political incentives to fix this issue so people need to migrate to better countries because population of such people won't be enough to disrupt the votebank. It means migration for some, lower paying job for others with debt in worse cases. Unless we create RBI equivalent solution for IT because it's the same problem of colonialism which is mentioned by Dr Ambedkar in problem of rupee in abstract. Change will take time. So tough decade ahead for mid career professionals. They must migrate because migration happens before transformation.
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Those who earn in crores and have bungalows in cities like Bangalore and Hyderabad and many more are taking about long hours rather than productivity time it's the same as politicians who are corrupt and talking about eliminating corruption.
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For free ration to masses this man wants others to suffer and go to asylum

Why he can’t donate to fund this free ration if he is really concerned

Netizens very well know that he can not dare to name and blame the right people who are responsible for this sorry state in the country
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Brilliantly put. The real problem isn’t AI or automation — it’s our neo‑colonial corporate structure. India exports talent, not innovation. Until we build domestic value chains like China did, Murthy’s 70‑hour logic will only keep serving Western economies.
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It's true that the majority of population in india has been struggling with poverty. Thanks to all political parties 😁

However, If I'm not wrong Infosys employee numbers in India are roughly less than 3 lakhs .I am unable to understand why he is talking about 80 crore population getting free rashan .. Is he going to employ 80 crore if 70 hr work culture is implemented? 😂 Or he wants his employees to arrange free rashan for 80 crores citizens 😄